Moto G8

[...] This seems to have been fixed for a while now (say a year or so), but when the Intel machine was new, Windows would sometimes not wake up from sleep, or if did, the screen would be garbled. [...]

But I have to ask: are those screens actually any good? Ours have FHD panels, and I have not seen a single one with a decent screen. Yeah, I brought up the screens because the FHD screens are not good and there's a chance you might end up with a SureView screen. The QHD screens suit my needs, they support HDR and higher refresh rates. [...] I eventually had an issue with the keyboard on a G8 model, a key popped off 3 years into using it, but I've also had that same issue with the keyboard of every laptop I've owned including every MacBook from 2006-2018, so the problem is likely me. These are also fairly expensive, around 1500 EUR, and the components are of questionable quality. The SSDs in particular are dog-slow (but they're very easy to replace). I buy them on the consumer side when there's a 60% off sale, I would not pay the sticker price for them, and get them with the intention of replacing the innards so I spec them out with the least I can. [...] The overnight laptop replacement I got was for a refurbed Elitebook I bought on Ebay and HP replaced it without question.

[...] Getting one with a QHD to UHD screen is mandatory But I have to ask: are those screens actually any good? Ours have FHD panels, and I have not seen a single one with a decent screen. There are roughly two categories: either the el-cheapo screens, with washed-out colors (6 bpp panels on a 1500 EUR laptop!) and dimmer than the moonlight through closed shades, but they have usable angles; or the "sure view" version with very bright backlight, usable outside (not in direct sunlight, of course) with, on paper, ok colors (specs say 100% sRGB) but laughably bad viewing angles (with the sureview off, of course) and, in practice, questionable color fidelity. These are also fairly expensive, around 1500 EUR, and the components are of questionable quality. The SSDs in particular are dog-slow (but they're very easy to replace). I have two 5-year-old 840 G8s (one Intel, one AMD), and they have both held up fine, but I usually don't abuse my laptops (my 2013 MBP still looks brand new aside from some scratches). [...] The usual suspects seem to be the barrel power connector and the keyboard. [...]

[...] The intel one had some kind of new touchpad, which doesn't work during the windows install. [...] Bonus points for the AMD ethernet dongle not being recognized, even though it's some random realtek, so I have to type my wifi password (my AP doesn't support wps). The AMD one works, even though the touchpads seem similar. [...] It solved itself somehow after some windows update two or three years later. Out of the box, it did have the webcam working, but the display brightness was somehow limited to "pretty dim". [...] Sleep on windows more often than not hangs for some reason, even now, 5 years in. [...] At one point, installing the gpu driver from intel fixed it, but windows update would helpfully update it to an older, borken version. [...] So if the screen goes to sleep, it won't run at 5k anymore when it wakes back up. [...] Everything worked perfectly under linux since day one, so apart from the comically bad display quality, I'm ge

[...] Bonus points for overheating the box... [...] The Intel one had GPU issues for a good year after I bought it. [...]

Yeah, I brought up the screens because the FHD screens are not good and there's a chance you might end up with a SureView screen. [...] The other one needs to be at least at 80% brightness inside to be usable. [...] Lower resolution is also easier to deal with for people still running X11 and multiple screens. [...] I was looking for some sff desktops on ebay the other day, and previous-gen ones weren't much cheaper than brand new current gens (I was looking in the EU). I think for people who don't care about "great" screens but do care about Linux support these are a really great deal, especially if you don't expect to abuse them. [...]

The laptop isn't running Linux yet, I'm not confident the battery lifetime story is great. [...] I was under the impression that some windows or driver update had fixed this, but apparently not. This never happened on linux, ever, which is my main os for this particular machine since day one and I never turn off the laptop, only reboot it for a kernel update. The Intel one is fairly reliable on Windows, but it did crash a few times (garbled screen). Battery life on the Intel model is better under linux (around +25%). On the Amd I can't comment, since I rarely use it on windows, and basically never on battery. At the office I have a 27" 5k screen which I have to use at 200%. [...] The only way to be sure to have sharp output is by booting it up with the screen attached. Which then goes to hell when the screen shuts off (think going to the toilet). [...] I also can basically not connect my sony bluetooth headphones when running Windows. [...]

this entire comment is a skill issue by plug and play I obviously wasn't referring to the laptop just offering up my photos unlocked. [...] it's a feature of the system, just like you can swipe from the side of the screen in almost every app on iOS. [...] Android 12, Moto G8 you're 2 versions of Android behind what I have and you expect to speak as an authority on this?

[...] :) My HP ProDesk 405 G8 Minis with a 2.5GbE NIC (plus the built in 1GbE which supported AMD DASH IPMI) idled at around 8.5W, and with the 10GbE NICs that came out around June, are more around 9.5W -- with a 5750GE, 64GB of DDR4-3200 (non-ECC), WiFi 6E and BT 5.3, a 2TiB SK Hynix P31 Gold (lowest idle of any modern M.2 NVMe?), and modern ports including 10Gb USB-C. Without the WiFi/BT card it might actually get down to 9W. [...]

Nope. The extra E was for "efficiency", because they were better binned than the normal Gs. Think of how much more efficient 5950Xs were than 5900Xs, despite more cores. So the Ryzen PRO line is a "PRO" desktop CPU. So typical AM4 socket, typical PGA (not BGA), etc. However they were never sold directly to consumers, only OEMs. Typically they were put in USFF (1L) form factors, and some desktops. They were sold primarily to HP and Lenovo (note: Lenovo PSB fuse-locked them to the board -- HP didn't). For HP specifically, you're looking at the HP ProDesk and EliteDesk (dual M2.2280) 805 G8 Minis... which now have 10GbE upgrade cards (using the proprietary FlexIO V2 port) available straight from HP, plus AMD DASH for IPMI! You could for a while get them a la carte from boutique places like QuietPC who did buy Zen 3 Ryzen PRO trays and half-trays, but they are long gone. They're also well out of production. Now if you want one, they're mostly found from Taiwanese disassemblers and recyclers who part out off-lease 1L USFFs. The 5750GEs are the holy grail 8-cores, so they command a massive premium over the 6-core 5650GEs. [...] Though the engineer sales folks were really thrilled to see someone who used every scrap of capability of these CPUs. They were impressed that I was using them to sustain 55GbE of actual data transfer (moving actual data, not just rando network traffic) in an extremely low power setup. -- ----- Also, I actually just logged in to my metered PDU, and the system is idling right now at just 44.2W. So less than the 50W I said, but I wanted to be conservative in case I was wrong. :) 44.2W that has over 84TiB usable storage, with fully automagic ingest and cache that helps to serve 4.5GiB/sec to 6.5GiB/sec over the network ain't bad!

[...] Even if computers typically cannot game at 6144 x 3456 px, it is incredibly nice to simultaneously have the fast refresh rate to glide your mouse cursor around smoothly, and have the super high image resolution to read super crisp text. [...]

just plug and play into my laptop? [...] It literally protects your precious photos from being stolen if you plug your phone somewhere else, but the only thing you need to pull down the notification bar and tap to allow the file transfer. [...] BTW, I have an official Google Translate app and I don't have the Search bullshit on the home screen. I literally have nothing except DDG and Camera shortcuts. Android 12, Moto G8. [...]

[...] It's a very boring phone, no IR blaster, and no subtle curves leading up to the camera and fingerprint sensor. [...] Rugged phones that could survive a lot, and some of them had thermal cameras, which seems like a gimmick but were incredible when you needed it.

[...] I was able to confirm it when using a random belkin charger with no ground: I got the familiar "vibrating" feeling in my fingers when moving them along the case. [...] Complete with creaking noises if you look at it wrong. [...] the screen shifts colour when a slight pressure is applied on the lid Heh. Must be nice to have a screen whose color is consistent if you leave it alone. [...] No, these are not cheap 2003 models. [...]

[...] However, HP's software is less than stellar. What annoys me the most is the fact that the latest BIOS update completely broke USB-C dock and monitor detection.

I keep my LG G8 around just to use its quad-DAC and wired headphones. For wireless I have 2.4GHz earbuds using LC3 codec.

And I like my PSVita/PSTV, iPhone (using the excellent GameSir G8 controller), and iPad (also great for games.) Nonetheless, Switch has been incredibly successful and I expect Switch 2 will be a hit as well.

if AMD used the same 33w, nobody would buy their chips because performance would be so incredibly bad I’m writing this comment on HP ProBook 445 G8 laptop. I believe I bought it in early 2022, so it's a relatively old model. [...] I’m quite happy with both the performance and battery life.

I'm still using a 32" 1368x768 TV, LG G8 phone from 2019, and my main driver is a 10.5" Surface Go 3 that I picked up used. Wired earphones are JVC HA-FXD80 (discontinued or I'd buy another pair) works great with the Quad-DAC in the G8. I do have a desktop PC with a 2-core Intel CPU and a Radeon of some kind that's liquid cooled in a bland black PC case. Just enough to run StarCraft 2 well.

[...] What I do value about my phone is the audio quality. [...] (LG has gone out of the phone business) I'm considering picking up any remaining stock with the only concern being security updates. Even if I use it as a iPod, it's not that bad a deal since it has a memory card slot.

- No external display before OS. [...] I routinely type my LUKS password on my external keyboard and monitor. The only thing that doesn't show up on the external screen IIRC is the boot selection menu.

[...] I can't stand this Samsung phone I bought to satisfy Fido/Rogers and want to replace the broken screen on my Motorola Moto G8. [...]

I had some fun with a HP DL 380 G8 but it's also 110W idle or 75W with 25% reduced performance. [...]