Framework Laptop 13

[...] The M1 MacBook systems got double the battery life of competitors, now 5 years later, Apple systems are at best getting 10% better battery life than competitors, and some systems like the XPS 14 have Apple beat entirely. [...] MacBooks have a brightness slider, too. You aren’t getting anywhere close to 20 hours on a MacBook without turning the screen brightness down. [...] The point is that the new framework 13 Pro laptop isn’t a 5-7 hour battery life experience like the previous models. [...]

[...] (by the way the laptop was a Framework 13 AMD, curious if others experienced the same. [...]

[...] I've upgraded my Framework 13 a bunch already since I bought it in 2022, and will hopefully continue to do so for years.

[...] My current laptop is a Framework 13 (from 2022) that has already seen some upgrades and repairs that wouldn't be possible on any of my old laptops. [...]

[...] The Framework 13" laptop has a 3:2 screen. [...] I think I would agree that I can see more code per screen. But on the occasion when I'm using another laptop, with a more standard 16:9 or 16:10 screen, it feels more "normal" somehow.

I still have my Framework laptop 13, have been happily using it for a few years. Looking at the new Framework 13 Pro, I love how I can buy the screen separately! [...] I might swap my laptop's screen it looks so good.

I have owned a Gen 12 model of the Framework 13 for over 2 years. Regarding the battery - yes, the performance isn't great. [...] Go ahead and abuse the battery with 100% charging. Remember the battery can be replaced in less than 10 minutes and at $69 (US) it's pretty darn affordable. I just replaced my original 56wH battery with Framework's better 61wH battery. The replacement process was super easy and quick. So I say charge up that sucker to 100% This isn't an Apple Macbook Air where the battery replacement requires an Apple tech and a boatload of money.

[...] of course framework is expensive compared to other companies; they don't have the resources and the leverage to be able to do things at the scale of their large comoetitors! [...]

I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year. [...] One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died. [...]

For the past several years, I have been using MacBook Pros, but the funny thing is, because of the circumstance of my organization, these were passed down from my boss, and while he uses macOS, I use Windows 10 or Linux on them. [...] That being said, the compatibility of Apple hardware with Windows is sometimes not as smooth as it ought to be, though Intel's most recent graphics drivers seem to have finally solved the display issues I have had for years with the 2017 MBP and Apple's Bootcamp drivers for Windows 10. [...] With Apple's move to Apple Silicon, I'm looking for a non-Apple replacement for my next laptop, which I intend to be primarily Linux, with a dual-boot to Windows only for the times when I am travelling and want to play Final Fantasy XIV Online away from home, in addition to the occasional proprietary software app I may need to run once in awhile, usually a control system for an external device, like music gear. [...]

Unfortunately the price hikes are affecting the entire industry, and it's not just high-end rigs for gaming and local LLMs. Game consoles and even the Raspberry Pi have gone up in price. In fact, Apple was one of the last holdouts; it didn't start raising prices until June. I paid $96 for 32 GB of DDR5 RAM for my Framework 13 laptop back in December 2023. When I checked a few months ago, the same RAM cost around $400; I don't know what prices are like now.

I have a 10GbE network in my house and a Framework 13 AMD laptop (7840U variant), I found that most of the available 10GbE adapters on the market get too hot, and after trying a few I settled on the UniFi USB4 10GbE adapter as it has enough thermal dissipation to be able to sustain full performance over an extended period of time. I don't see how you can dissipate enough heat in the Framework insert shells.

I've had such terrible success with usb-ethernet adapters on linux, to the point where wifi is usually much more performant. [...] Hardware is a Framework 13 3rd gen laptop. [...]

[...] I purchased the first generation of the Framework 13 AMD laptops And it's been my personal machine ever since. [...] The battery life is the biggest negative compared to a MacBook, but that seems to be better now (though I doubt it, or anyone, can compete with the power/performance that Apple is putting out now). [...]

I own 2 framework 13 laptops at this time and repairability aside I am also just happy to support a new PC hardware co.

I have a work-issued M3 MacBook Pro, and at home my daily drivers are a Ryzen 9 3900 PC (still on Windows 10) and a Framework 13 laptop with a Ryzen 5 7640U running Windows 11. The hardware on my MacBook Pro is fantastic; I get amazing battery life that lasts far longer than my Framework 13, and the performance is excellent. I also love my MacBook Pro's build quality. However, the reason my personal laptop is a Framework 13 and not a MacBook Pro is because I value upgradability and user-servicability. [...]

[...] I run a quantized 70 billion parameter llama 3.1 model on my framework 13 inch laptop. [...]

[...] First, just using more cross-platform software on my Mac. [...] Bought the cheapest Framework 13 laptop, running stock Fedora. [...]

Makes sense, I now do the majority of my personal workflows, except for photography, on Arch Linux on a Framework 13 laptop. I still have a M1 MBP for personal use that I primarily use for photography and not much else. There's a very minimal set of "normal" use cases that cannot be served on Linux at this point, and Linux desktops are more stable in the ways that matter to users now than the alternatives.

I only play games w/ Steam on Linux (Steam Deck or Framework 13 laptop) and Denuvo makes this impossible Are you sure about that? I have a ROG Ally running Bazzite and I have played several games on this page[0] that use Denuvo. 0:

Very interesting analysis and as someone who practiced reversing/cracking in my youth, it helps me to understand why Denuvo is so effective. [...] I only play games w/ Steam on Linux (Steam Deck or Framework 13 laptop) and Denuvo makes this impossible, so it's a hard no from me. [...]

[...] It's perhaps worth mentioning that Framework has directly supported Debian in providing access to hardware with AMD NPUs and iGPUs. I'm typing this message on one of two Framework 13 laptops that they donated to support Debian in this effort. [...]

[...] I'm also looking forward to Framework's upcoming 12" convertible tablet; I also have a Framework 13 laptop.

[...] I can run 2b-14b models just fine on the CPU on my laptop (framework 13 with 32gb ram). [...] If you want to hit my level for "moderate", I use 2x3090 (I bought refurbed for $1600 a couple years ago) and they do quite a bit of work. [...] They're faster than the m2 pro I was issued for work, and a good chunk cheaper (the m2 was in the 3k range). [...] Some folks claim to have success with the k80s, but I haven't tried and while 24g vram for under $100 seems nice (even if it's slow), the linux compatibility issues make me inclined to just go for the p40s right now. I run some tasks on much older hardware (ex - willow inference runs on an old 4gb gtx 970 just fine) So again - I'm not really sure we'd agree on moderate (I generally spend $1000 every 4-6 years to build a machine to play games, and the machine you're describing would match the specs for a machine I would have built 12+ years ago) But you just need literal memory. [...]

[...] I cannot charge my laptop (framework 13, amd) from my power bank. [...] I don't know nor understand why it doesn't work and if it's a bug in the power bank or the laptop

My AMD Ryzen Framework Laptop 13 running Ubuntu 22.04 is a joy to use. Huge difference between that laptop and the first generation Intel Framework Laptop 13. I don’t notice the fan running on it much at all.

I'm using the AMD version of the framework 13" laptop with a usb dock which cost £30. The dock has power display port usb A and c ports ethernet headphone jack and card readers. [...]

[...] However, for my personal equipment, it’s really difficult for me to stomach paying Apple’s inflated prices for RAM upgrades beyond their defaults (8GB won’t cut it for my workloads, and even 16GB sometimes feels cramped), and because the RAM is soldered, I have no choice but to either accept the default or to pay inflated prices for more RAM. Thus after 16 years of buying Macs for home use, I switched away from the Mac a few years ago; I have a Ryzen 9 build as my daily-driving desktop and a Framework 13 as my laptop. [...]

[...] On the flip-side, if you eschew Microsoft products completely, I've had a really good experience (for the most part) using Secure Boot with custom keys on Linux on my Framework 13 AMD laptop. I am using Arch, and have it setup to build UKIs that are signed automatically via a post-build hook using sbctl and EFI booting using systemd-boot. [...]

[...] Since I own a SteamDeck with a plenty strong CPU, lots of storage and a fully functional Linux environment, it felt like such a silly waste to need to buy a whole laptop, when all I really wanted was the keyboard, trackpad, and screen. Ultimately decided against it though, and got a Framework 13 laptop instead. [...]

I recently got a Framework 13 laptop and 10 hours on a charge is easily doable, especially if you put it in the low power mode. That's on Linux, but I'd assume Windows is typically smarter about conserving battery life (though maybe that's changed nowadays). I'm incredibly happy with this laptop in general.

[...] I have a first gen framework 13 whose body is about toast, and it is going to become a NAS once it finally stops working. [...]

[...] 3:2 (2256 x 1504) is also common for smaller laptops like the Framework 13. [...]

I have a Framework 13 personal laptop and a work-provided MacBook Pro. I'd put them at about the same level when it comes to build quality: the Framework doesn't feel quite as streamlined (it's still very sleek!), while the MacBook has developed a finicky USB-C port that can't be easily repaired. [...] You'll get much more for your money, and they have people on staff dedicated to providing a good Linux experience.

Not for my Framework 13 laptop. There’s only one screen resolution option. Even when I don’t have it plugged into my 4K external monitor, Wayland’s fractional scaling looks atrocious on Ubuntu 22.04.

[...] It turned out the hard disk and the CD-ROM drive didn’t work, and its internal battery ran out; replacing them was easy. [...] I also have a “trash can” Mac Pro that was my daily driver from 2017 (when I purchased a refurbished model) to 2022 when I switched to a Ryzen 9 build. [...] I miss the days of user-serviceable Macs, which is why I switched back to PCs after using Macs as daily drivers since I bought an Intel Core Duo MacBook in 2006. I now use a Ryzen 9 build at home and a Framework 13 laptop when I’m away from home. [...]

Things broken in Debian 12 Linux with the Framework 13 AMD laptop: amdgpu i2c bluetooth autosuspend wifi connectivity issues resume after suspend sometimes crashing usbc-pd sometimes not charging There are so many warnings in journalctl / dmesg, since getting the laptop one month ago, I'm nonstop searching for solutions. The only reason I'm doing this is to learn the inner workings of the current state of how things are done in Linux.

My main workhorse is my desktop Linux machine (nothing can beat a water cooled desktop machine for raw power), but as work from home is not possible all the time, there is also a need for a laptop in my life. I just got my self a Framework 13" AMD laptop and now believe that, barring any major incidents, I will not need to buy a new computer for a long while. If in the coming years I ever feel a need to upgrade newer faster/better components, then bith machines allow for modular upgrades.

Thanks for reviewing framework. I got one for work and I love its screen for dev work

I do wish there was more performance (especially for the price), but I do really like that it feels like MY laptop and won’t turn into a paperweight if something breaks or if I need an upgrade. Having the freedom to do what I want with my hardware is incredibly liberating.

I am so sick of planned obsolesence hitting the laptop industry hard lately, its hard because I travel. Ran through dozens of $1000 Lenovo's, Dells, and Acers like warm butter on a mid summer morning. Those laptops are made of such junk and they slow down to a frustrating pace or cook out within 3 - 6 months from me just using microsoft word on them, it disgusts me to no end.

[...] It’s not “cheaper to upgrade” every 6 months to 1 year, but it is cheaper to upgrade if my motherboard dies after 3y & I just need to install a new one versus purchasing an entirely separate computer. $700 for a mobo versus $1500-2000 is a whole lot cheaper. [...] Because I guarantee if you used the laptop specced out as-is for a few years, then you upgraded only when it stopped working or your workflow was being hindered by its performance, it would be cheaper than purchasing a whole entire modern laptop, and you’d get similar performance to the new laptops for under half the price

I just pulled the trigger to pre-order this laptop after watching this, thanks. [...] Sadly it's not worth repairing. [...] Being able to just replace the mainboard and maybe ram for upgrades, and be able to make my own repairs sounds great.

I'm a professional programmer, purchased a first gen framework 13, and it's been by far the best laptop I've ever purchased. I have since replaced hinge, and the bezel and that's been it. [...] Over time it's performed better, the battery life and fan noise have improved just due to software and driver updates. Never had any issues with hardware, drivers, or decaying battery life/performance that I've had with previous mac books and similarly sized windows laptops. And I'm sure when I do I can just replace the battery, it's a really nice feeling. [...]

The keyboard only vibrates at a certain frequency. [...] Mine vibrates at a Gnome system sound :D You can try to reproduce it by using a sine wave generator. Volume to 80%+ and slowly increase the frequency. [...]

I REALLY like Framework keyboards compared with my work Macbook Pro, due to having a lot more travel.

llama.cpp works pretty well for me on the Framework 13 laptop, but the current era of "move fast, break things, rarely fix" (sorry, that's how it feels), bites here quite a bit. Two examples: - Someone's few lines change broke the native (ROCm) support for the AMD GPU inside Framework (and other integrated systems), and any rollback or proper fix is pending for almost a month. Fortunately there's workaround (switching to Vulkan rather than ROCm devices), but both the way the bug was introduced and the way it is not fixed just doesn't give much confidencen - LM Studio is using llama.cpp internally for GGUF, they ship their own build with their closed source system as "runtimes". [...]

[...] I like the repairability and modularity of my Framework 13 laptop, and I still bought a maxed out MBP M5 Max because for local LLM, unified memory is all that matters.

I think the bigger problem is Framework doesn't actually offer as much in upgradeability as it sounds. [..,] Unofficially, many of the laptops I've had I've been able to upgrade even the screen on as well. The Framework's screen is officially upgradeable, though, and I see that as a strength: while you or I might not blink at doing an unofficial screen replacement for some other laptop, I'm sure most people would be afraid to attempt something like that. I've also (officially) replaced the webcam (new one is definitely better) and speakers (new ones are better but still meh). When my battery starts to go, I'll replace it with the higher-capacity battery that's available now. So it's definitely quite a bit more than just RAM, SSD, Wi-Fi. The value prop for replacing the mainboard+CPU while keeping the same generation RAM and SSD is really not that high in terms of upgradeability I agree on the RAM: I have a Framework 13, and my next mainboard upgrade will require new RAM (which is of course crazy expensive right now), as my current board uses DDR4. [...] you can place your port layouts in any order you want, you can customize the keyboard style and layout, Right, agreed: I have not changed the layout of my ports in more than a year at this point, and I never changed the keyboard style/layout. It was nice to be able to easily replace the keyboard when my original one developed issues a few months ago (not Framework's fault... [...]

I agree; I don’t like the iOSification of the UI/UX, and I also don’t like the increased locked-down nature of macOS, such as having to go through a nag screen whenever I use lldb. [...] I have a Ryzen 9 desktop and a Framework 13 laptop. I begrudgingly use Windows 10/11; I would’ve moved to desktop Linux if it weren’t for some proprietary software I need that doesn’t run on Linux. [...]